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Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:17 am

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It seems that there's a fair few people who are considering a change to the stack and tilt golf swing, why? and what should they expect to gain from changing?

The stack and tilt swing pattern is such that it promotes a 'draw' ball flight. Most amateur golfers slice the ball because they have fallen foul of the old teaching methods employed by PGA pro's for the past 20/30years, loading up the right side etc etc, Not that it was the fault of the pro's, technology has been brought into play and shown that things considered correct were actually wrong.

If you are currently hitting fades and slices then effectively Stack and Tilt isn't for you, well not if you want to continue hitting fades and slices. The backbone of Stack and Tilt is one of staying over the ball and using weight transfer to swing the club from the inside path (draw spin). You CAN hit fades with it but you have to make adjustments and these aren't so widely discussed.

So the first thing you need to expect is that you're going to have to play with a draw shaped shot.. of varying degrees as you get better with the swing.

The second thing to expect (hope for) is to eliminate poor strikes from your game. Loading up your right side takes your body weight and places it behind the ball, it's little wonder that very often your golf club then hits the ground behind the ball too! Fat shots, thin shots etc are all caused from behind the ball where your swing bottoms out too early or your hands are in the wrong place at impact.

So that's the main two things you can gain, but there's more!

If you buy the Stack and Tilt book or DVD's (which you'll probably have to if you want to learn the ins and outs of the swing mechanics) then you'll learn a lot more about the swing, how it actually works. How it's important to point the clubface where you want the ball flight to START, eg: it's wide open for a big swinging right to left hook! How your weight position effects the swingpath, what is right and what is wrong. Pretty much all the great golfers that have ever played do so with some elements of Stack and Tilt in their game, just keeping your head still and over the ball is a stack and tilt process, you can't keep your head still if you use the conventional swing (it's impossible to move to the right AND keep your head in the same place unless you have an neck that extends on demand) and yet everyone will tell you that you need to keep your head still??!! Odd huh?

Finally I'd say that you get out of golf what you put in. If you dive into Stack and Tilt half heartedly then you might not get it, you might give it a few weeks of not doing it properly and then revert back to your old swing, then tell everyone that it doesn't work - whilst I'd say that wasn't the best way to look at changing a swing you'll have learned so much about hitting the ball that it'll probably affect your old swing, and make it better. You'll be thinking that you hit the ball so much better with your old swing and yet it's the little bits of stack and tilt that you've learned that will actually make you play better. You'll be slightly more centered, probably a better swing plane, hands will come into impact better and you'll understand how shots are shaped. You might end up like the Tour player Shaun O'hair who has formed his own custom version of stack and tilt yet vehemently denies that he uses it :)

All round a pretty good choice of swing, a no lose situation in fact. What's the worse that can happen? You're already not happy with your old swing which is why you're thinking of changing in the first place, right?

You DO want to enjoy playing golf don't you? 8-)



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Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:33 pm

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Good post. Shaun O'Hair works with Sean Foley who followed Andy and Mike on Tour. Foley also works with Justin Rose who now has a great backswing.
The games greatest players will exhibit certain pieces that Andy and Mike would prescribe.
Where S&T differs from other swing methodology is the system of classification, with solid evidence to back it up not just opinion and conjecture.

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Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:35 pm

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i've only dabbled a little with the S&T system and being a drawer of the ball with quite a flat ballflight anyway ( i've grown up playing links golf) it feels quite comfortable leaving the weight forward. I would love to learn more on this methodology, as the few shots i've hit with it the ballflight seems fantastic!



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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:46 pm

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Whereabouts are you located ? There are just a couple of pros who are directly Plummer and Bennett recommended herein the UK. Mine's one of them and he's posted here on the forum. Check him out at http://www.samquirke.co.uk

I haven't bought any material yet, but a single-figure handicap friend highly recommends the Bennett & Plummer book.

Slingshot.



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Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:57 pm

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Hi James

Not long back from the range, i was using that tip you gave on this site, left shoulder down, straight right leg, weight on the left, i kid you not i have never hit a golf ball as solid as i was doing to-day.

In the last ten years my handicap is went from 5 to 16, currently its at 12, even when i played of five i never got the strike on the ball like i was getting to-day.



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Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:26 am

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im based on the grim north-east coast but i work down in London during the week, i've alrady got their book on order after having watched countless hours of their youtube posts!



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Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:27 am

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Rossi,

This is not a surprise!

Hope you enjoy your new found ability.

Regards

Sam

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Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:44 am

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carefulchaos1333 wrote:
im based on the grim north-east coast but i work down in London during the week, i've alrady got their book on order after having watched countless hours of their youtube posts!


Well, there's nothing quite like a one-to-one lesson, of course. If you can find the time during the week to get down to Drift G.C. (http://www.driftgolfclub.com/), Sam Quirke's your man (http://www.samquirke.co.uk). Drift is under 10 minutes from Junction 10 of the M25.

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Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:41 am

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kevin wrote:
As state before i need to try Stack and Tilt style but if your telling that it would not be possible learning at home place without guidance than i need to buy a book or DVD's of Stack and Tilt.


You can learn the basics of the swing from this forum if you ask! Alternatively you can surf other sites or even watch videos on Youtube. The article that you've linked to (twice now) is out of date from 2007, when they thought the tilt part meant a 'tilt towards the target' instead of tilting towards the BALL.

Personally I think it's a good idea to buy the book (it's only about £12 on Amazon.com) as it's always there as a reference.



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